Legislature(2011 - 2012)HOUSE FINANCE 519

01/31/2012 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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01:39:36 PM Budget Overview: Department of Transportation and Public Facilities
03:13:04 PM Budget Overview: Department of Administration
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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 31, 2012                                                                                           
                         1:38 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:38:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas called the House Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 1:38 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bill Stoltze, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Bill Thomas Jr., Co-Chair                                                                                        
Representative Anna Fairclough, Vice-Chair                                                                                      
Representative Mia Costello                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Doogan                                                                                                      
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
Representative Tammie Wilson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Marc Luiken, Commissioner,  Department of Transportation and                                                                    
Public Facilities (DOT/PF);  Mary Siroky, Director, Division                                                                    
of  Administrative  Services, Department  of  Transportation                                                                    
and   Public  Facilities;   Becky  Hultberg,   Commissioner,                                                                    
Department of Administration (DOA).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
BUDGET OVERVIEWS:                                                                                                               
     Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                         
     Department of Administration                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
^BUDGET OVERVIEW: DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC                                                                     
FACILITIES                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:39:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARC LUIKEN, COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND                                                                    
PUBLIC FACILITIES (DOT/PF),  introduced department staff. He                                                                    
provided   a   PowerPoint    presentation   titled   "Alaska                                                                    
Department   of   Transportation   and   Public   Facilities                                                                    
Overview." The mission of the  department had been developed                                                                    
over the  past year and was  based on statute, which  was to                                                                    
"get Alaska moving through  service and infrastructure." The                                                                    
objective of the mission statement  was met by providing for                                                                    
the  safe  and  efficient  movement  of  people  and  goods,                                                                    
providing   access   to    state   services,   and   opening                                                                    
opportunities  for exploration  and development  of Alaska's                                                                    
resources (slide 2).                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  shared that there had  been some discussion                                                                    
regarding   who  had   authority  to   change  the   mission                                                                    
statement. Further  discussions regarding  mission statement                                                                    
changes would occur at a later time.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Luiken pointed  to the  statutory requirements                                                                    
related to the department's mission on slide 3.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Luiken highlighted  slide  4, "Vision:  Expand                                                                    
Alaska's Transportation System."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     -We will become the premier state organization known                                                                       
     for transparency, accountability, innovation, superior                                                                     
     service and employee retention.                                                                                            
     -We will create more efficiencies in our current                                                                           
     system and develop new corporate and public partners.                                                                      
     -We will achieve service based management of our state                                                                     
     owned transportation assets and facilities.                                                                                
     -We   will   expand   the    reach   of   our   surface                                                                    
     transportation system.                                                                                                     
     -We will provide access to Alaska's undeveloped                                                                            
     resources.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon pointed  to the  uncertainty attached                                                                    
to  the  department's funding  sources.  He  opined that  it                                                                    
would be good  for the department to state that  it would do                                                                    
the  best  it could  with  the  funding services  that  were                                                                    
available.  Commissioner   Luiken  replied  that   he  would                                                                    
discuss the point later in  the presentation. The assumption                                                                    
had been included in the vision of the department.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:45:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule remarked that  there were some areas of                                                                    
the state that  sought some level of  connectivity with each                                                                    
other.  He  wondered  how  that  desire  fit  into  DOT/PF's                                                                    
vision. Commissioner  Luiken replied that the  second to the                                                                    
last  bullet  on slide  4  related  to  the question  -  the                                                                    
department   will   expand   the  reach   of   our   surface                                                                    
transportation system.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara was  surprised that  "improving safety"                                                                    
was not included in the  vision statement of the department.                                                                    
He also expressed concerned that  the department would bring                                                                    
forward funding  requests for expansion on  an annual basis.                                                                    
He  felt  that  bringing   expansion  requests  every  year,                                                                    
increased  maintenance  and  operation  costs.  Commissioner                                                                    
Luiken answered  that ultimately the vision  was created for                                                                    
the internal  utilization of  DOT/PF. The  budget parameters                                                                    
may or may not allow for  expansion. The general goal was to                                                                    
expand the highway system at 15 miles per year.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:50:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Luiken   relayed   that   DOT/PF   drew   its                                                                    
performance  measures from  the department's  core services.                                                                    
He stressed that, like the  mission vision values statement,                                                                    
DOT/PF had  begun to identify  its performance  measures for                                                                    
the  organization.  He  relayed  that  many  of  the  DOT/PF                                                                    
employees attended  training, to help develop  measures that                                                                    
are  more  meaningful  and results-oriented.  An  additional                                                                    
goal was  to work with legislators,  agencies, and customers                                                                    
with integrity, excellence, and respect.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Luiken  moved on  to  slide  5, "Airports  and                                                                    
Maintenance  Stations."  He  explained that  the  pink  dots                                                                    
represented the  state-owned airports.  He noted  that there                                                                    
were a couple  in Dead Horse in Barrow that  were not marked                                                                    
on  the  map.   There  were  252  rural   airports  and  two                                                                    
international  airports that  DOT/PF oversaw.  He emphasized                                                                    
that the  two international airports  in Alaska made  up the                                                                    
largest self-sustaining enterprise fund  that was managed by                                                                    
the State.  Ted Stevens  International Airport  in Anchorage                                                                    
was the second  largest cargo airport in  the United States;                                                                    
and it  was the  fifth largest cargo  airport in  the world.                                                                    
Both  international airports  in Alaska  were huge  economic                                                                    
drivers for their local communities and for Alaska.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:53:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson asked  about DOT/PF  plan if  federal                                                                    
airport  funding was  reduced.  Commissioner Luiken  replied                                                                    
that  the  maintenance and  operation  of  the airports  was                                                                    
funded  by the  State. He  stated that  the federal  airport                                                                    
improvement  program   funding  was  intended   for  capital                                                                    
projects.  If  the federal  funding  was  reduced, it  would                                                                    
merely slow  the program. He stressed  DOT/PF would continue                                                                    
to work  on the quality  of Alaska's rural airports  with or                                                                    
without funding.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  wondered how  the Anchorage  and Fairbanks                                                                    
international airports  subsidized each  other. Commissioner                                                                    
Luiken did  not know.bs wondered  if the figure was  over $1                                                                    
million.  Commissioner Luiken  replied that  the figure  was                                                                    
more than likely  over $1 million. He  furthered that DOT/PF                                                                    
had worked  hard to create an  international airport system,                                                                    
and market  it as such.  He stressed that the  Anchorage and                                                                    
Fairbanks  airports  needed  a symbiotic  relationship.  Co-                                                                    
Chair Stoltze  asked for a firm  number to be provided  at a                                                                    
later time.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule   wondered  how  the  price   of  fuel                                                                    
factored  into maintaining  Alaska's status  as a  prominent                                                                    
cargo airport.  Commissioner Luiken replied that  "the price                                                                    
of  fuel was  the  price  of fuel."  He  explained that  the                                                                    
Alaska Fuel  Consortium that worked  to find the  best price                                                                    
for fuel, and bring that fuel to the Ted Stevens Airport.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Joule  stressed   that  the   international                                                                    
airports were critical to Alaska's  economy, and wondered if                                                                    
the  high price  of fuel  would  have a  negative impact  on                                                                    
Alaska's  economy. Commissioner  Luiken responded  that what                                                                    
sells   Alaska's  international   airport  system   was  its                                                                    
strategic location.  Anchorage was roughly half  way between                                                                    
Asia and North American  markets. He remarked that potential                                                                    
threats were the other airports  along the west coast of the                                                                    
United States. For  instance, Portland International Airport                                                                    
had  offered  a  discount  for cargo  aircraft  to  use  the                                                                    
airport.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:59:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan  discussed a snow storm  that occurred                                                                    
in Anchorage  in early  December. He  was unhappy  about how                                                                    
DOT/PF  had  handled the  snow  storm.  He had  written  two                                                                    
letters to  the department and had  received dissatisfactory                                                                    
answers. He discussed  the importance of the  safety for his                                                                    
constituents   to  travel   throughout  the   community.  He                                                                    
believed the snow plows had  not been sent out early enough.                                                                    
Commissioner Luiken  replied that the  maintenance operation                                                                    
employees had  worked that  entire night  and the  plows had                                                                    
been  deployed  early.  There had  been  some  unusual  snow                                                                    
events  in  Alaska during  the  winter  and it  had  created                                                                    
significant challenges  for DOT/PF. When  DOT/PF anticipated                                                                    
a  significant  snow event,  other  assets  were moved  from                                                                    
throughout  the  state to  allow  the  maintenance crews  to                                                                    
operate 24/7.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:04:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan appreciated  the  response, but  felt                                                                    
that DOT/PF did not respond  in an appropriate manner at the                                                                    
time  of the  snowstorm.  He requested  that the  department                                                                    
talk to him if it needed  more money to handle snow removal.                                                                    
He wanted to avoid the issue from happening in the future.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough   thanked  the  department   for  its                                                                    
responsiveness,  and   wondered  whether  Flint   Hills  was                                                                    
currently  providing the  majority of  aviation fuel  to the                                                                    
state's  airports.  Commissioner  Luiken  responded  in  the                                                                    
negative. Flint  Hills provided some  fuel to  the airports,                                                                    
but Flint  Hills had elected  to not  put up a  third tower,                                                                    
which had provided a large amount of fuel.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough   wondered  whether  the   issue  had                                                                    
anything  to do  with the  premium required  on North  Slope                                                                    
crude  oil. Commissioner  Luiken responded  that he  did not                                                                    
know.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough  wondered if there was  a disadvantage                                                                    
to a  local business  by charging them  extra money  to take                                                                    
Alaska's crude oil through a  pipeline in its community. She                                                                    
felt  that   decision  may  have  decreased   jobs  in  that                                                                    
particular  market,  and  moved  those  jobs  overseas.  She                                                                    
expressed that  she would like  more discussions  about that                                                                    
problem.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Luiken expressed  that  Flint  Hills had  been                                                                    
using the majority  of oil to bring the potential  oil up to                                                                    
the  appropriate  temperature  to  be  harvested  using  the                                                                    
fracking method.  Therefore, it  had increased  their costs.                                                                    
Vice-chair  Fairclough   wanted  to  understand   why  local                                                                    
businesses would be charged more than outside companies.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  remarked that the  State must  purchase oil                                                                    
at market value.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough understood  and  recognized that  the                                                                    
issue was battled  in the media. She did  not understand why                                                                    
the product was  sold at a higher cost in  Fairbanks, but at                                                                    
a lower cost overseas.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stoltze  had   visited  the   DOT/PF  maintenance                                                                    
facility, and  remarked the crew  had been working  hard and                                                                    
were  excited to  get a  new grater  machine. He  remembered                                                                    
volunteering  on Christmas  day  in a  snow  storm, and  the                                                                    
department  had faced  a  significant  amount of  challenges                                                                    
that they  could not predict.  He respected  and appreciated                                                                    
the work  done by the  snow removal crews that  were working                                                                    
with inadequate  equipment. He  discussed the  importance of                                                                    
providing the department with funding for needed equipment.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:13:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  commented that Haines and  Cordova had been                                                                    
very dependent  on DOT/PF during  the current  winter storm,                                                                    
because the local  grater broke down. He told  a story about                                                                    
driving in Juneau during a snowstorm on city streets.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neuman pointed to  fuel issues related to the                                                                    
Ted Stevens International Airport.  He discussed the lack of                                                                    
fuel, and  declared that 25  flights per week flew  over the                                                                    
airport  because  the  it  could  not  purchase  fuel  at  a                                                                    
reasonable  price.  Therefore,  it  had  a  huge  impact  on                                                                    
Alaska's  economy. He  believed  that Vice-chair  Fairclough                                                                    
had  discussed a  crucial  issue, and  felt   marketing  and                                                                    
transportation of  goods was  critical to  Alaska's economy.                                                                    
Without appropriate, low fuel costs,  the airport may not be                                                                    
considered  a point  of entry,  and  could potentially  give                                                                    
Alaska  a significant  disadvantage.  He  wondered what  the                                                                    
state could do to make  sure it communicated to the airlines                                                                    
that the fuel would be available.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:18:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Luiken replied  that there  was ample  fuel in                                                                    
Anchorage and that  no one had been turned away  due to lack                                                                    
of  fuel. The  only reason  a  carrier may  overfly the  Ted                                                                    
Stevens  International Airport  was because  of the  type of                                                                    
cargo they were carrying. Meaning,  if a plane is carrying a                                                                    
small amount  of cargo, it  might not need to  refuel before                                                                    
venturing  to its  destination. He  shared that  the storage                                                                    
capacity  would be  increased to  provide  an additional  20                                                                    
million gallons of fuel.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Neuman  stated   that   he  was   restating                                                                    
information  that he  heard from  Jim  Hence through  Alaska                                                                    
Industrial Development  and Export  Authority. He  agreed to                                                                    
provide  that information  to the  committee in  writing. He                                                                    
wondered  if  there was  a  contingency  plan, should  Flint                                                                    
Hills  go  offline.  Commissioner Luiken  replied  that  the                                                                    
Anchorage   Fueling  and   Service   Company  (AFSC)   found                                                                    
suppliers  who were  willing to  supply 100  percent of  the                                                                    
fuel,  if there  was  a  need to  purchase  it  on the  open                                                                    
market. He remarked that Flint  Hills provided 30 percent of                                                                    
the total amount of fuel to the airports.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:22:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson  wondered if  Flint  Hills  was at  a                                                                    
disadvantage, because was  responsible for oil-related tasks                                                                    
other than selling  fuel. She relayed that  oil was becoming                                                                    
more  difficult to  obtain,  and needed  to  be heated  more                                                                    
often, so she  felt that Flint Hills was  at a disadvantage.                                                                    
She  wondered  if  it  was   DOT/PF  or  the  Department  of                                                                    
Revenue's (DOR)  responsibility to determine if  Flint Hills                                                                    
was  at   an  economic  disadvantage.   Commissioner  Luiken                                                                    
responded  that DOT/PF  was not  in the  fuel business.  The                                                                    
department supplied lease space for AFSC storage tanks.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Luiken continued to  discuss slide 5. He stated                                                                    
that Alaska  had 5,714.6 state  owned center lane  mile; and                                                                    
18,098  maintenance   lane  miles.   He  explained   that  a                                                                    
maintenance  lane was  12 feet  wide. He  stressed that  the                                                                    
maintenance was not  only for the highway, but  also for the                                                                    
shoulders  and enhancements  that were  part of  the highway                                                                    
system. He remarked that there  were 80 maintenance stations                                                                    
in the  state, and  were identified with  the green  dots on                                                                    
the displayed map.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Luiken displayed  slide  6,  "FY 13  Operating                                                                    
Budget." He stated  that the graph on the left  hand side of                                                                    
the  slide,  displayed  the DOT/PF  budget  related  to  the                                                                    
entire State's  general fund budget.  The budget  for DOT/PF                                                                    
is  FY 13  was approximately  $347,493.9 million,  which was                                                                    
about 4  percent of the  total general fund (GF).  He looked                                                                    
at the  chart on  the right  side of  the slide,  and stated                                                                    
that DOT/PF  had an additional  $264,524.4 million  in other                                                                    
funds,  and $3,986.6  million in  federal  funds. The  total                                                                    
operating budget for DOT/PF was $616,004.9 million.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Luiken looked  at  slide 7,  "FY 13  Operating                                                                    
Budget  Funding Sources."  He highlighted  the sources  that                                                                    
contributed  to the  budget  labeled,  "other funds."  Other                                                                    
funds  included  Uniform   Commercial  Carrier  Registration                                                                    
Fees,  $318.4  thousand;   Whittier  Tunnel  Toll,  $1,753.4                                                                    
million;  Vehicle  Rental   Tax  (Designated  General  Funds                                                                    
"DGF"),  $4,115.6  million;   Statutory  Designated  Program                                                                    
Receipts,   $604.3   thousand;  CIP   Receipts,   $146,349.7                                                                    
million;  International  Airport   Revenue  Fund,  $77,984.5                                                                    
million; Highway  Equipment Working Capital  Fund, $32,772.0                                                                    
million;  I/A Receipts,  $4,742. 1  million; Marine  Highway                                                                    
System  Fund  (DGF);  GF/Program  Receipts  (DGF),  $9,002.5                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:28:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze queried  long-term  plans  to turn  around                                                                    
costs into  revenues from leasing and  rentals. Commissioner                                                                    
Luiken working to lease facilities  and bring in tenants. He                                                                    
explained  that  DOT/PF was  given  the  authority to  spend                                                                    
airline's money.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  pointed out that, in  years prior, airline                                                                    
revenues   had   been    higher   than   current   revenues.                                                                    
Commissioner  Luiken  spoke  to service  based  highway  and                                                                    
aviation systems, which were  managed by private contractors                                                                    
that are coming  due. Those contractors were  required to be                                                                    
insured to operate and maintain  the airports and equipment.                                                                    
He  stated  that there  was  work  with risk  management  to                                                                    
determine  a  policy  that   would  cover  the  contractors,                                                                    
however, it  would make  for higher  costs. He  relayed that                                                                    
the cost of maintenance for  the Whittier Tunnel grew higher                                                                    
every year.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:32:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara looked  at  slide 9,  "FY 13  Operating                                                                    
Budget  Changes." He  pointed out  the $480,000  decrease in                                                                    
one-time items.  He wondered if  it was a decrease  from the                                                                    
last year's one-time items.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARY SIROKY, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT   OF   TRANSPORTATION  AND   PUBLIC   FACILITIES,                                                                    
explained that they  were FY 12 one-time items.  None of the                                                                    
increases were  identified as one-time items.  She clarified                                                                    
that there were  no items that were  identified as increases                                                                    
were considered one-time items for the current year.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  wondered if  there was a  one-time item                                                                    
category anywhere  in the proposed  operating budget  for FY                                                                    
13. Ms. Siroky replied that  there were no one-time items in                                                                    
the FY 13 Operating Budget.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan queried  the  definition of  "MSCVE."                                                                    
Commissioner   Luiken   replied   that   MSCVE   stood   for                                                                    
Measurement and Standards Commercial Vehicle Enforcement.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:33:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Luiken  looked at  slide  10,  "FY 13  Capital                                                                    
Budget."  He noted  that 68  percent of  the capital  budget                                                                    
came from federal receipts: $702,943. million.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  wondered if the federal  receipts were "in-                                                                    
hand" or  "expected." Commissioner  Luiken replied  that the                                                                    
federal receipts were what was expected for FY 13.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  wondered  if the  federal  receipts  were                                                                    
still operating  under a continuing  resolution Commissioner                                                                    
Luiken affirmed,  and furthered  that it would  remain under                                                                    
the current resolution until Congress passes a new one.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Luiken   highlighted  expected   general  fund                                                                    
revenues: $27 million for  deferred maintenance; $31 million                                                                    
for  safety  improvements; $8.1  million  for  the Roads  to                                                                    
Resources  program;  and  $22.1 million  for  the  Municipal                                                                    
Harbor Grant match.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:35:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon acknowledged that  there was no way of                                                                    
knowing  when  the Federal  Highway  Act  would change,  but                                                                    
questioned  what  at  range the  state  should  expect  that                                                                    
change.  Commissioner  Luiken  responded that  it  would  be                                                                    
based on the  federal government but could be as  much as 30                                                                    
percent decrease.  Roughly one-third of the  budget was from                                                                    
the federal receipts.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon   declared  that  it  would   have  a                                                                    
significant  impact to  the state  if that  fund source  was                                                                    
shifted, decreased, or disappeared.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas  noted  that  a specialist  would  come  to                                                                    
address  the legislature  regarding  the  potential loss  of                                                                    
federal funds.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze   commented  that  there  had   been  some                                                                    
adjustments, because  of the  stall of  the highway  bill at                                                                    
the  federal  level.  He remarked  that  Alaska  was  lucky,                                                                    
because it  did not  have as many  highways as  other state,                                                                    
but  it was  still  facing  a potential  impact  of loss  of                                                                    
federal dollars.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  noted that a  primary concern  of committee                                                                    
members  was that  the supplemental  budget could  be "huge"                                                                    
the following  year, because of  the expectation  of federal                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:41:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Luiken  shared  the concerns  related  to  the                                                                    
potential loss  of federal funds.  He moved on to  slide 11,                                                                    
which  showed projects  that had  been awarded  in 2011  and                                                                    
tentative projects for 2012. He  hoped that the map was able                                                                    
to   demonstrate  that   the   projects   had  been   evenly                                                                    
distributed across  the state.  He remarked that  there were                                                                    
over $1 billion in projects.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Luiken  looked   at  slide   12,  "Roads   to                                                                    
Resources."  The slide  highlighted the  roads to  resources                                                                    
program  and  proposed amounts  for  the  FY 13  budget.  He                                                                    
pointed out the four projects.  He emphasized that there was                                                                    
a valuable  roads to resource  project in  Southeast Alaska:                                                                    
the Klondike Highway.  The mines in Yukon  used the Klondike                                                                    
Highway to bring ore to the  Ore Terminal in Skagway. It was                                                                    
a valuable benefit, because it  was defined as an industrial                                                                    
use highway  in statute. Therefore, the  State could collect                                                                    
a  toll  from  the  heavier than  normal  ore  trucks.  That                                                                    
revenue was  used to  maintain and  sustain the  highway. He                                                                    
pointed out that  the mining industry in the  Yukon was very                                                                    
significant,  so the  Klondike highway  proved valuable.  He                                                                    
hoped to  expand the Klondike Highway's  capability, because                                                                    
the mining industry was looking  to expand the amount of ore                                                                    
that was carried on the highway.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule  asked whether the  community Anaktuvuk                                                                    
Pass community  had changed its  opposition to  the proposed                                                                    
project.  Commissioner  Luiken  responded that  he  had  not                                                                    
heard any opposition from that area.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan  asked for  a  listing  of the  total                                                                    
costs for each  of the projects listed on slide  12. He also                                                                    
requested information  regarding what had been  spent so far                                                                    
and what the final cost would be for the projects.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:45:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough wondered  if  there  was analysis  on                                                                    
road investments,  related to the  operating costs  for some                                                                    
of the  small communities in  Alaska. She stated  that there                                                                    
were some  communities in Southeast that  could be connected                                                                    
by   road,  but   there  was   opposition  from   the  local                                                                    
communities.  She expressed  concern regarding  prioritizing                                                                    
investments  relating to  maintenance  of  two airports  and                                                                    
connecting   educational  facilities.   Commissioner  Luiken                                                                    
answered that  the department was  currently looking  at the                                                                    
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough  was  not  advocating  for  the  road                                                                    
connections  if  communities  were  opposed;  she  was  just                                                                    
trying to understand the potential savings.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Luiken  directed attention to slide  14 related                                                                    
to highways  and aviation. He  focused on  completed capital                                                                    
projects  including the  Akiak  airport  (upper left);  that                                                                    
runway  at  Ted  Stevens   International  Airport  had  been                                                                    
brought up to  a class 6 code in order  to increase the use;                                                                    
delineators  were  installed  along the  Dalton  Highway  to                                                                    
improve for commercial truck use;  and the Tongass Avenue in                                                                    
Ketchikan  had been  greatly improved.  He  stated that  the                                                                    
missions   and  standards   worked  to   concentrate  around                                                                    
population centers.  Had looked  at fuel  dispensing devices                                                                    
in  the  state,  and  remarked  that  there  had  been  some                                                                    
significant errors  found and places  had been  receiving up                                                                    
to 10  percent less  or 4  percent more  than what  they had                                                                    
paid for.  The department worked  to ensure that  fair trade                                                                    
was occurring.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:52:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Luiken  addressed the marine highway  system on                                                                    
slide  15.  The  Malaspina  ferry  currently  was  currently                                                                    
undergoing  significant repairs,  and  the Matanuska  needed                                                                    
similar  attention. He  remarked that  those two  ships were                                                                    
good  representation of  the  deterioration  of the  overall                                                                    
fleet.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  commented that  "hopefully the  wheel would                                                                    
not  be reinvented  with new  ferries." Commissioner  Luiken                                                                    
replied that the technology  had significantly increased for                                                                    
planes, and  technology for  marine ferries  was continuous,                                                                    
and complicated. He  remarked that DOT/PF would  work to use                                                                    
the best technological design.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas  stressed  that  it was  not  necessary  to                                                                    
change something that worked.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough  echoed  the  concern.  She  stressed                                                                    
appropriate warrantees on any new projects were essential.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:57:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Luiken discussed  challenges for the department                                                                    
on slide  16. He remarked  that operating under  the federal                                                                    
continuing resolution kept the  funding levels at a standard                                                                    
level,  it was  difficult to  program projects,  because the                                                                    
funding  was provided  at unknown  times.  He stressed  that                                                                    
there was  no guarantee of  the federal funding  through the                                                                    
end  of fiscal  year.  He stated  that  the maintenance  and                                                                    
operating costs of old ships  in the AMHS was expensive, and                                                                    
noted  that   there  were  several   interesting  challenges                                                                    
related to maintenance  of the boats in the  AMHS. He stated                                                                    
that  the  photo  on  the  top left  corner  of  the  slide,                                                                    
displayed the  snow that was  piled in Valdez. The  photo in                                                                    
the  top right  corner  displayed an  avalanche that  flowed                                                                    
from Mt. Roberts onto Thane  Road. The bottom left photo was                                                                    
taken in Kodiak and the bottom  right photo was of a road in                                                                    
Petersburg.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Luiken  pointed to slide 17,  "Strategic Use of                                                                    
GF Capital Investment."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     -On complicated projects use general fund to avoid                                                                         
     difficult and time consuming federal processes.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     -Use federal funds on easier projects like pavement                                                                        
     overlays.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Luiken    displayed   slide    18,   "Project                                                                    
Prioritization."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Safety                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Asset Management System                                                                                                    
     -Pavement, bridges, airports, ferries,  transit,                                                                           
     maintenance                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     2030 Long Range Transportation Plan                                                                                        
     -Regional Transportation Plans                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Aviation Improvement Program (AIP)                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     State Transportation Improvement Program (STIP)                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara did  not believe  that  there were  any                                                                    
signs recommending that people pull  over if there were cars                                                                    
behind,  and no  pullout signs  on the  road. He  understood                                                                    
that  the signs  would  not solve  the  entire problem,  but                                                                    
would certainly help.  He concluded that lanes  needed to be                                                                    
added  to the  entire  highway  system. Commissioner  Luiken                                                                    
responded  in the  affirmative and  would provide  detail on                                                                    
projects  that were  coming up  in future  years related  to                                                                    
safety corridors.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  believed the projects could  fit in the                                                                    
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:04:43 PM                                                                                                                    
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3:12:42 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^BUDGET OVERVIEW: DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:13:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BECKY HULTBERG,  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                    
(DOA), introduced  staff from the department.  She discussed                                                                    
the diversity of the department.  She presented a PowerPoint                                                                    
titled  "Alaska  Department   of  Administration  Department                                                                    
Overview"  and highlighted  the department's  strategic plan                                                                    
on slide 2.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Mission:   The    mission   of   the    Department   of                                                                    
     Administration is to provide consistent and efficient                                                                      
     support services for state agencies.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Vision:   As    employees   of   the    Department   of                                                                    
     Administration,  we  will   provide  innovative,  cost-                                                                    
     effective and responsive service.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Department Goals.                                                                                                          
     -Service   Excellence:    Provide   excellent   program                                                                    
     delivery  through  clear communication  and  respectful                                                                    
     and responsive actions.                                                                                                    
     -Spending   Growth  Reduction:   Reduce  the   rate  of                                                                    
     spending growth to sustainable levels.                                                                                     
     -Effective   and   Efficient  Delivery   of   Services:                                                                    
     Implement    strategies    to    achieve    operational                                                                    
     efficiencies.                                                                                                              
     -Employee Development  and Support:  Encourage employee                                                                    
     growth   and  development   by  providing   leadership,                                                                    
     training and  resources in  an atmosphere  that fosters                                                                    
     mutual trust and respect.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Core Values.                                                                                                               
     -Integrity:  We   will  be  honest,   transparent,  and                                                                    
     ethical.                                                                                                                   
     -Service: We will provide excellent service.                                                                               
     -Accountability:  We will  take responsibility  for and                                                                    
     ownership of the services we provide.                                                                                      
     -Balance:  We will  honor our  commitments to  our work                                                                    
     and personal lives.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She pointed to an organizational chart on slide 3. She                                                                          
discussed the divisions and commissions under the                                                                               
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:16:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze wondered about the Anchorage motor vehicle                                                                     
tax increase. Commissioner Hultberg would follow up on the                                                                      
answer at a later date.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze wondered whether there had been dialogue                                                                       
from the Division of Motor Vehicles.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg continued on with the presentation                                                                        
related to divisions and commissions on slide 4.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Direct Services                                                                                                            
     -Division of Motor Vehicles                                                                                                
     -Public Defender Agency                                                                                                    
     -Office of Public Advocacy                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Independent Commissions                                                                                                    
     -Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission                                                                                
     -Alaska Public Offices Commission                                                                                          
     -Violent Crime Compensation Commission                                                                                     
     -Alaska Public Broadcasting Commission                                                                                     
     -Office of Administrative Hearings                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Business Operations                                                                                                        
     -Division of Personnel & Labor Relations                                                                                   
     -Division of Administrative Services                                                                                       
     -Division of General Services                                                                                              
     -Division of Risk Management                                                                                               
     -Division of Finance                                                                                                       
     -Enterprise Technology Services                                                                                            
     -Division of Retirement and Benefits                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  asked  about   the  Office  of  Public                                                                    
Advocacy. He noted that part  of the agency helped to defend                                                                    
the  rights of  children with  inadequate parents,  and felt                                                                    
that   the cases  were well beyond  what the  division could                                                                    
handle. He  asked the commissioner  to look at  the children                                                                    
advocacy to determine whether caseloads were too large.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg  agreed with Representative  Gara. She                                                                    
explained  that   growing  caseload   was  a   problem.  The                                                                    
department  could  be  open   to  conversations  related  to                                                                    
relieving the  case load, but  added that she had  heard the                                                                    
same feedback that Representative Gara had mentions.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara understood  that  the department  could                                                                    
not  control  the  caseload. He  wanted  the  department  to                                                                    
examine it and help reduce it.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  commended the  department for  hiring Rick                                                                    
Richard Allen, Director, Office  of Public Advocacy, for his                                                                    
work regarding the easing of case loads.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:21:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Hultberg   expressed    confidence   in   the                                                                    
leadership of the divisions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg discussed service  across the state on                                                                    
slides 5.  She moved  on to  slides 6  and 7,  and discussed                                                                    
major accomplishments.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     -AKSAS/AKPAY   replacement  (IRIS   project):  obtained                                                                    
     funding  and PCNs  necessary to  commence and  complete                                                                    
     project; project now underway.                                                                                             
     -Progress on  unfunded liability: worked with  the ARMB                                                                    
     to  identify  funding  approaches to  address  unfunded                                                                    
     liability.                                                                                                                 
     -AlaskaCare  wellness initiative:  began initiative  to                                                                    
     add wellness and disease  management features to health                                                                    
     plans.                                                                                                                     
     -DOA  spending  growth:  implementing  plan  to  reduce                                                                    
     long-term rate of spending growth within DOA.                                                                              
     -ETS customer service:  worked to improve relationships                                                                    
     with agency  customers and  reprioritize work  based on                                                                    
     department needs.                                                                                                          
     -Public Defender Agency  conflict procedures: developed                                                                    
     and implemented  new policies and  procedures governing                                                                    
     conflicts of interest.                                                                                                     
     -DMV license  renewal by mail: qualified  customers can                                                                    
     complete a  driver's license or  identification renewal                                                                    
     application online, mail it to  DMV, and receive a card                                                                    
    through the mail with the updated expiration date.                                                                          
     -Office   of   Public    Advocacy   contractor   costs:                                                                    
     instituted  significant internal  changes to  level out                                                                    
     variable contractor costs.                                                                                                 
     -Labor  agreements:  reached voluntary  agreement  with                                                                    
     five bargaining units.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg  directed attention to  the priorities                                                                    
of the department (slides 8 through 9).                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     -Health care cost containment:  develop and implement a                                                                    
     comprehensive  health  management plan  for  AlaskaCare                                                                    
     active and retiree members.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:27:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  discussed health  care costs.  He remarked                                                                    
that  the legislature  had  seen  many different  intiatives                                                                    
related to the relieving of  health care costs. He requested                                                                    
the department's guidance when  determining the out year and                                                                    
five-year    cost    projections.   Commissioner    Hultberg                                                                    
emphasized  the  importance  of looking  at  retiree  health                                                                    
plans in a more holistic way.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg continued on slide 8:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     -DOA   rates:   evaluate  DOA   rate-setting   process,                                                                    
     restructure  rates  where   necessary  and  align  with                                                                    
     budget process.                                                                                                            
     -Unfunded   liability:   continue  working   with   the                                                                    
     Legislature, the  ARM Board  and other  stakeholders to                                                                    
     manage the state's obligations.                                                                                            
     -Space utilization  and planning:  assist the  state in                                                                    
     managing its $50 million.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  discussed  the  unfunded  liability.  The                                                                    
legislators wanted the  best information, DOA had  to make a                                                                    
lot   of  unpopular   decisions.  He   requested  that   the                                                                    
department should not be timid  when addressing the unfunded                                                                    
liabilities.   Commissioner   Hultberg  replied   that   the                                                                    
department was  happy to meet  with the legislators  as much                                                                    
as was requested.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:31:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  remarked once it  was in the fund,  it was                                                                    
gone,   and  could   already  be   mislabeled  as   savings.                                                                    
Commissioner Hultberg reiterated  the department's desire to                                                                    
participate in  discussions with the legislators  related to                                                                    
any issue, especially the unfunded liability.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg continued on slide 9, "Priorities."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     -Expansion  of  CASA   volunteer  program:  to  provide                                                                    
     improved  advocacy for  Alaska's  children  in need  of                                                                    
     aid.                                                                                                                       
     -DMV database redesign: moving DMV off the mainframe.                                                                      
     -IRIS   (Integrated    Resource   Information   System)                                                                    
     project:  successfully  implement (on  time/on  budget)                                                                    
     administrative     systems      replacement     project                                                                    
     (replacement   of  payroll   and  accounting   systems,                                                                    
     implementation of new HR and procurement system.                                                                           
     -Labor  relations:  successfully conclude  negotiations                                                                    
     with three bargaining units.                                                                                               
     -ETS: continue to improve customer service.                                                                                
     -ALMR:      conclude       the      acquisition      of                                                                    
     ALMR  equipment from  Department of  Defense and  place                                                                    
     ALMR on a sound fiscal foundation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:33:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Doogan  stated   that  was   on  the   ALMR                                                                    
subcommittee and was interested in the results.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  believed it would  be a disservice  to not                                                                    
point out "red-flags" on some of the costs related to ALMR.                                                                     
Commissioner Hultberg  was happy to elaborate  or could save                                                                    
the  discussion for  the  subcommittee.  She explained  that                                                                    
ALMR supported  the day  to day  communication needs  of the                                                                    
state  troopers, the  DOT personnel,  other State  entities,                                                                    
and many local governments. The  challenge was that the ALMR                                                                    
system  was  divided  between   operation  cost  and  actual                                                                    
maintenance of  the equipment. There was  a complicated cost                                                                    
share between the State and federal government.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough wondered  if  the federal  government                                                                    
required  to  the  state  to  share  the  costs  with  local                                                                    
communities. Commissioner  Hultberg replied that  because of                                                                    
federal law,  the department could  not choose to  just bill                                                                    
the federal government if it was  not willing to treat it as                                                                    
equals like other users.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough would follow  up with the subcommittee                                                                    
related to ALMR.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:37:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan  noted that it  was not just  that the                                                                    
Department of Defense did not  want to pay the bills anymore                                                                    
, wanted to pay less or  none at all. The funding source for                                                                    
the particular  program was being  "squeezed at  both ends."                                                                    
Commissioner Hultberg agreed. She  noted that the department                                                                    
was  in a  position  that it  did  not want  to  be in.  The                                                                    
department  had   been  working  very   constructively  with                                                                    
various government entities, in order to solve the problem.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  people were  concerned about  how the                                                                    
ALMR system  would be maintained  and paid for.  She pointed                                                                    
out  that communities  in Interior  Alaska were  strained by                                                                    
the cost  of maintaining  the system.  Commissioner Hultberg                                                                    
replied that some communities had  no other system. She felt                                                                    
optimistic that the issue would be resolved.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas noted that discussions  had been ongoing for                                                                    
over five years.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg pointed to  DOA budget trends on slide                                                                    
10. The  department was happy  with its rate of  growth, and                                                                    
remarked that  DOA's long-term goal  was to reduce  the rate                                                                    
of  budget growth  to  between 4  and 5  percent  a year  by                                                                    
increasing  efficiency. Slide  11 showed  the total  dollars                                                                    
spent  related to  the  yearly management  plans  and FY  13                                                                    
budget. there  was a  very small amount  of general  fund in                                                                    
its budget. She remarked that  the average annual growth was                                                                    
5.6 percent.  She discussed health  care on slide  12. Other                                                                    
states' costs  were similar  to those  of Alaska.  She noted                                                                    
that costs  were on pace  to double every decade.  The chart                                                                    
did not include the federal portion of Medicaid.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:42:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough  wondered   whether  there  had  been                                                                    
dialogue with  the federal government regarding  a change to                                                                    
the  age limit  for  those  entering Medicaid.  Commissioner                                                                    
Hultberg deferred  the question to the  Department of Health                                                                    
and Social Services.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg  pointed  to big-picture  items  that                                                                    
touched DOA. She  moved to slide 13 related  to the unfunded                                                                    
liability. The  cost was $141  billion in  benefits payments                                                                    
over the next  70 years. The cost would  be approximately $3                                                                    
billion per year.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg moved to slide  14 and discussed FY 13                                                                    
budget increments and decrements.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Health Plans Administration                                                                                                
     -Third Party Administrator contract increases: $440.5                                                                      
     (Group Health and Life Benefits Fund/Other)                                                                                
     DMV                                                                                                                        
     -Costs for server hosting: $74.5 (GF/Program receipts)                                                                     
     -Establish state operated office in Kotzebue: $87.5                                                                        
     (GF/Program receipts) plus one PFT position                                                                                
     General Services                                                                                                           
     -Central Mail postage increase: $80.0 (Other)                                                                              
     -Lease costs: $2,500.0 (Other)                                                                                             
     -Facilities operation and maintenance costs: $750.0                                                                        
     (Other)                                                                                                                    
     -Facilities administration: $80.0 (Other)                                                                                  
     Office of Public Advocacy                                                                                                  
     -John R. Justice Program: $150.0 (federal)                                                                                 
     Finance                                                                                                                    
     -IRIS position authority: $1,500.0 (CIP receipts)                                                                          
     -Databasics decrement: ($112.5) (GF/Program receipts)                                                                      
     APOC                                                                                                                       
     - One time personal services and travel increase:                                                                          
     $68.1 (UGF)                                                                                                                
     AOGCC                                                                                                                      
     - Increased travel for regulatory oversight: $36.3                                                                         
     (AOGCC receipts/DGF)                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas felt  that every public office  at the state                                                                    
and local  level were  required to  maintain their  own data                                                                    
entry  programs. He  wondered why  DOA did  not terminate  a                                                                    
position, if the data entry work was conducted elsewhere.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:48:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg agreed to look into the issue.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg concluded with  slide 14 related to FY                                                                    
13 capital requests.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     -Nome State Office Building and Courthouse: $10,000.0                                                                      
     -Repair State Office Building Parking Garage, Phase 1                                                                      
     of 3: $2,500.0                                                                                                             
     -Alaska    Geologic   Materials    Center   Replacement                                                                    
     Facility: $4,000.0                                                                                                         
     -Douglas Island Building Renovation, Phase 1 of 3:                                                                         
     $9,200.0                                                                                                                   
     -ETS bandwidth monitoring: $800.0                                                                                          
     -ETS bandwidth improvement for rural sites: $1,500.0                                                                       
     -DMV driver knowledge testing system: $550.0                                                                               
     -Statewide deferred maintenance, renewal, repair and                                                                       
     equipment Projects: $7,250.0 UGF and $3,000.0 PBF                                                                          
     -Division of Retirement and Benefits capital projects:                                                                     
     $1,013.0                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan asked  about  the  Nome State  Office                                                                    
Building capital  request. He  wondered whether  the project                                                                    
had  been  included  in  the   FY  12  budget.  Commissioner                                                                    
Hultberg  agreed  to provide  that  information  at a  later                                                                    
date.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  asked about the 10-year  average annual                                                                    
increase, and  felt that  it was  the largest  increase that                                                                    
been  related  to   lease  payments.  Commissioner  Hultberg                                                                    
responded  that  the  lease   component  was  under  general                                                                    
services  at  the  top  of  slide  10.  She  explained  that                                                                    
maintenance had driven the growth rate.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
3:52:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:52 PM.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DOA HFIN Budget Overview FY13-013112pdf.pdf HFIN 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
DOT HFIN-Budget OverviewFY13 01 30 12.pdf HFIN 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
HFin -DOT-Committee Response 01 31 12 meeting questions.pdf HFIN 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM
HFin -DOT-Committee Response 01 31 12 meeting questions.pdf HFIN 1/31/2012 1:30:00 PM